Clint - football trade

[Mr Moderator]

What I'd like to see from Bingo and Adster:

- A video showing their 3 month p+l Betfair history, to prove strategies numbered 1-19; Clint, Aperitif, etc, actually work.

- A reasoned response to why anyone should subscribe to their service for access to the Draw Inflation Tool and Betting Notes software when viable free alternatives exist, links posted on this forum. Which leaves the question; will Clint accumulate a fist full of dollars?

- Subjects covered in their "educational package" that are not available for free.


I'm not seeking to deride Bingo and Adster, indeed the right of reply is welcomed. The general consensus of this forum is those who proffer subscription services and who cannot offer a modicum of proof their strategies work are nothing more than charlatans - purveyors of Snake Oil - happy to take subscription money while leading noobs up the garden path.

Bingo, Adster, although it is commendable that your service provides in a polished package education to those in full-time jobs who haven't the time to delve into betting theory, this forum comprises of hardened traders who have seen it all before.

One last thing about insurance bets, I shall hand over to Genghis:

The way I see it, is peoples excuse to complicate things.

Here is a thought, rather than taking out "insurance" against your initial bet, why not, ummmmmmmmm, just not put so much on in the first place. Strange concept I know.
If you are doing between markets, all you are doing is adding to your lack of value due to commission anyway, so just throwing money away.

You may choose to back your opinion and have little side earners, or little bets on things you find to be value, and good for you, but the serious "insurance" bets, have always just appeared to be taken by people who are simply dulling down their initial liability, and trying to appear more knowledgeable than they obviously are by coming up with terms that are a contradiction on their intention.

[chrishorne]

'Bingo'

The site, (unmentioned) & its contributors actually in my experience do provide some very good advice & some well proven strategies, not only for soccer but also for horse racing. As a trader, concentrating mainly on horses, I feel that the site is bloody good, if you're prepared to accept that they don't have a crystal ball, none of us do. What I will say is, if you dont like it, then dont use it, stop carping on about it. I am in no way a newbie & think any positive advice is good advice. And by the way, you're all talking about the 'Clint' strategy, it doesnt work on all soccer matches, but they have plenty of other strategies that do work & they advise you which one they think suits a particular scenario. So in a nutshell, if you're doing your dough, its your fault for not taking the time & effort to figure out which way to go

[gun]

Bingo, Adster, although it is commendable that your service provides in a polished package education to those in full-time jobs who haven't the time to delve into betting theory, this forum comprises of hardened traders who have seen it all before.

And there lies the crux of the issue for newbie traders. They are excited by the possibilities they read about, anxious to learn how to earn a few quid extra beer money or maybe even harbouring a desire to 'give up the day job.' So they wade through forums (should it be 'fora'? - never quite sure), scour blogland and happen across the good, the indifferent and the downright useless. They try a few things, lose a few quid and try to work things out in their own minds. When someone such as Hodgy dares raise his head above the parapet to ask for some guidance surely he is deserving of a little more empathetic a response than 'work it out for yourself'....

I suspect that hardened traders were that at once excited and confused newbie one day in the dim and distant.

[Mickey Pearce]

What I'd like to see from Bingo and Adster:

- A video showing their 3 month p+l Betfair history, to prove strategies numbered 1-19; Clint, Aperitif, etc, actually work.

- A reasoned response to why anyone should subscribe to their service for access to the Draw Inflation Tool and Betting Notes software when viable free alternatives exist, links posted on this forum. Which leaves the question; will Clint accumulate a fist full of dollars?

- Subjects covered in their "educational package" that are not available for free.


I'm not seeking to deride Bingo and Adster, indeed the right of reply is welcomed. The general consensus of this forum is those who proffer subscription services and who cannot offer a modicum of proof their strategies work are nothing more than charlatans - purveyors of Snake Oil - happy to take subscription money while leading noobs up the garden path.

Bingo, Adster, although it is commendable that your service provides in a polished package education to those in full-time jobs who haven't the time to delve into betting theory, this forum comprises of hardened traders who have seen it all before.

One last thing about insurance bets, I shall hand over to Genghis:

FFS! TG someone has hacked into my account.

[Mr Moderator]

And there lies the crux of the issue for newbie traders. They are excited by the possibilities they read about, anxious to learn how to earn a few quid extra beer money or maybe even harbouring a desire to 'give up the day job.' So they wade through forums (should it be 'fora'? - never quite sure), scour blogland and happen across the good, the indifferent and the downright useless. They try a few things, lose a few quid and try to work things out in their own minds. When someone such as Hodgy dares raise his head above the parapet to ask for some guidance surely he is deserving of a little more empathetic a response than 'work it out for yourself'....

I suspect that hardened traders were that at once excited and confused newbie one day in the dim and distant.

While I agree with your sentiment, it does not justify milking noobs. Contrived nonsense, such as the following, is not acceptable;

When someone such as Hodgy dares raise his head above the parapet to ask for some guidance surely he is deserving of a little more empathetic a response than 'work it out for yourself'....

[custard]

This thread began with a guy who had come to realise that the Clint strategy did not work. This is what I, and others, addressed from the beginning. I didn't want a discussion about the merits of this so-called "service" and deliberately did not mention those who provided it. There is no reason to believe that any of the strategies work any better than Clint does.

A discussion of any strategy, even a rubbish one, is helpful as it focusses attention on trading principles as they apply to real markets. I think it is rather pathetic that a guy who seeks to be a trader has to be told what to do by others. Trading has to be for independent thinkers and if a guy cannot think for himself, he should give trading a miss.

[Cran]

I think it is rather pathetic that a guy who seeks to be a trader has to be told what to do by others. Trading has to be for independent thinkers and if a guy cannot think for himself, he should give trading a miss.

It's natural for someone starting something new (trading, driving a car, knitting, etc.) to seek advice...

Once you have taken advice and know the mechanics and have some experience then yes, THEN you need to be taking your own decisions, but it's not wrong to ask advice when starting something.

Anyone starting out who wants advice there is more than enough in this forum if you use the search feature.

And if you can't find the search feature, then just start here:

http://www.geekstoy.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=44

http://www.geekstoy.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1613

http://www.geekstoy.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1589

[lcredd]

Trading has to be for independent thinkers and if a guy cannot think for himself, he should give trading a miss.

Agreed. This month I have made £800 pre-race trading and lost £850 in-running, both of my 'strategies' make logical sense in my mind but obviously the in-running ploy isn't working. I won't tell people what I do pre-race as it would reduce my opportunities to make money, nor would I expect someone to tell me how to make money in-running as I'm sure they enjoy cashing in on my errors.
I could give some vague advice for a fee, of course, but the truth is you have to think of a system/strategy and tweek it until it works. If you can't think for yourself then you are in the wrong game.

I don't know much about Clint or whatever but I think there are many strategies that work and many that don't, but the one's that do surely have a lot of knowledge behind them and involve careful match selection and price analysis.

[custard]

It's natural for someone starting something new (trading, driving a car, knitting, etc.) to seek advice...

Once you have taken advice and know the mechanics and have some experience then yes, THEN you need to be taking your own decisions, but it's not wrong to ask advice when starting something.

There's a world of difference between asking for advice/help and paying £30 a month to have one's hand held and be told what to do. I didn't say that somebody would be an automatic success by thinking for himself, some help is needed, and is freely given on this forum. Nevertheless, those who are incapable of applying themselves so as to make their own decisions are destined for total failure.

[Morgans Choice]

Hi all,

I've followed this thread with interest as it seems to me to boil down to a new trader seeking somewhere to start and the various views on how to do so.

The very independent and stubborn, a category into which I, rightly or wrongly, think I fall, say "Work it out yourself". Although it may sound smug and condescending and perhaps could have been put a little more sympathetically at times, there is an awful lot of merit in that approach.

Those of a more "sociable/team player" nature see no problem in seeking and offering a more "concrete" starting place, whether given freely or purchased.

The most valuable gift I've ever been given, is that of reading, without it I couldn't have done most of the worthwhile things in my life. From an educational point of view, I wonder if it is worth having a section on the forum where traders can post their first attempt at trading. I've posted mine elsewhere previously but wouldn't mine posting it again under a specific topic. I've suggested first attempts since I suspect that almost everyone who is profitable has long since abandoned those methods, but they may give beginners a starting point,

cheers, MC

[Thomson]

1980hodgy

BACK OVER 2..5 £55
BACK 1-1 £5
BACK UNDER 1. 5 £10

I believe this is something like the clint strategy. It would appear you are struggling with the nuance’s of this ill thought out betting method.

Bin it, get your money back if you paid for it.

Sit down clear your head of making wizard moves to profit and do the maths. Using the above stakes £15 on over 2.5 is the same bet and a lot easier to manage.
The Clint is bullshit........

Is this statement wrong?....Defend and/or discuss, leave the politics out and answer the question,........

[Knight Rider]

I will declare an interest... I am a long term member of the body under discussion - but have no financial interest in it directly and nor, before any high horses are mounted, am I promoting it here.

Could also have added your Gundulf, "mastermind " behind "The Scatter Gun" and "Gundulfs Gateau", 2 other strategies which the Nuggets flog .

Now if, as you say, you have no financial interest i am just trying to work out who is the bigger mug, some noob who buys into all this nugget strategy/insurance bollox or someone who gives away 2 stategies to Bingo and Arfur to make money out of

[Knight Rider]

Todays Tune of the Day is up.

Please direct one speaker towards Surrey, the other towards France

TIA

[Mickey Pearce]

Could also have added your Gundulf, "mastermind " behind "The Scatter Gun" and "Gundulfs Gateau", 2 other strategies which the Nuggets flog .

Now if, as you say, you have no financial interest i am just trying to work out who is the bigger mug, some noob who buys into all this nugget strategy/insurance bollox or someone who gives away 2 stategies to Bingo and Arfur to make money out of

Priceless!!

Gunned down by the Knight Rider.

[custard]

I love analysing simple things

I am pleased for you. It would seem to be best if you left the complicated things to others.

I'm not a full time trader, I sell cars.

We would never have guessed that.