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  • Have You Ever Traded In The Zone?

    When you completely accept the psychological realities of the market, you will correspondingly accept
    the risks of trading. When you accept the risks of trading, you eliminate the potential to define market
    information in painful ways. When you stop defining and interpreting market information in painful
    ways, there is nothing for your mind to avoid, nothing to protect against.
    When there's nothing to protect against, you will have access to all that you know about the nature of
    market movement. Nothing will get blocked, which means you will perceive all the possibilities you
    have learned about (objectively), and since your mind is open to a true exchange of energy, you will
    quite naturally start discovering other possibilities (edges) that you formerly couldn't perceive. For your
    mind to be open to a true exchange of energy, you can't be in a state of knowing or believing that you
    already know what's going to happen next. When you are at peace with not knowing what's going to
    happen next, you can interact with the market from a perspective where you will be making yourself
    available to let the market tell you, from its perspective, what is likely to happen next. At that point,
    you will be in the best state of mind to spontaneously enter "the zone," where you are tapped into the
    "now moment opportunity flow."



    Thought I'd expound on the MD quote from DB in another thread.

    Many many years ago I took delivery of a computer called a Commodore Amiga, it was a really sweet machine for the money and had a really good graphics chip. The machine came with a suite of games as they did back then and one of them was a car one, a rallying game where you dorve the car over a series of obstacles.

    I have never been much good at video games but for some reason I really took to this game and played it for hour after hour. I remember getting blocked for like weeks over a narrow ravine where you got totalled if you didn't get through. Eventually I mastered that but the final third was laced with treacherous sections and it became very hard to put everything together. Day after day I would get closer and closer yet something would always wipe me out.

    Around this time I was getting to the point where I could play without thinking. It was getting so difficult I couldn't really take in what was happening but instead of fighting it I went with it. Eventually one night I put it all together and reached nirvana. Well the guys who coded it clearly had a sense of humour because all I got to see was a brief screenie of 'congratulations you have finished' before the game self destructed leaving me unable to ever play again. It remains the only PC game I have ever finished too.

    Forgetting the self destruct part for the moment, is trading in the zone like this? You know the software and the ladder so well that you reach a point of reacting without thought. I imagine the lack of thought is the crucial bit. You reach a point where you're reacting almost before stuff has happened. It's a weird feeling. It's just you, the ladder and the flow of it all.

    It must be a fantastic feeling, having put all the hours in, being able to trust yourself to act in an unconscious manner and just 'go with it'.

  • #2
    I thought you did trade in the zone?

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    • #3
      Oh stick the knife in why don't you! .

      I haven't put the hours in on the ladder and even then I am not confident I have the ability. I doubt I'll make it but I do know it is possible if one follows the advice in this forum. I must say people are extremely generous with their help and advice around here so a big :Thanks for that.

      This "now moment opportunity flow" may sound a bit waffley but even though I have not experienced it in trading I do know what he means. I imagine a key to it is being able to operate the Toy so well that the process of entering and exiting trades requires no conscious thought. I play a lot of Video Poker and am able to play it without making decisions, it has become an automatic unconscious process. Once you master the physical process and know it very well it does free up a lot of mental space.

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      • #4
        Sorry, for some reason I thought you were one of the profitable traders on here.

        In any case, when I trade, I just see an opp and go for it. It does come from putting in the screen time as you mention.

        It is like driving - you can do it whilst listening to the radio... if someone pulls out on you, you instantly slam on the brakes. You don't think "Someone is pulling out on me... shall I brake? I'll watch and see." You'll instinctively move for the brakes.

        If you start off small (£2 liability), you will develop the sense before you wipe out your bank account.

        Whilst it is a great feature, I have never used the simulation mode. Even for testing ideas, I use real money but small stakes.

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        • #5
          No worries SN it gave me a larf .

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          • #6
            One day I managed to trade in the zone, but lost this feeling later.

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            • #7
              it happened the same to me too, one day in 2011.
              it seemed that i was perfectly interacting with the markets (i mostly scalp), taking 1-2-3 ticks again and again, and cutting losses immediately.

              at the end of the day i saw that i had +700euros in my bank, and i wasnt even aware of it, i was just going by instinct all day without even counting my balance.

              wish i can have another of these days

              (naturally there were also completely opposite days, when it seemed that i was completely disconnected from the market and always taking the wrong decisions... so i said goodbye to my 700euros... c'est la vie, as they say in france)

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              • #8
                All the above posts, have touched on what is covered in the books written by Mark Douglas. It's probably a good idea for all those that have posted in this thread, to read the books, then discuss afterwards, perhaps?


                Mark_Douglas_-_Trading_in_the_Zone.pdf


                Mark_Douglas_-_The_Disciplined_Trader.pdf

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                • #9
                  already done, and i totally agree with your suggestion: the 2 books are a must for every trader

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                  • #10
                    There was a stage about 6 months ago, where I thought I had entered the zone on a permanent basis. I didn't fear the market anymore and felt as though I was prepared for any eventuality. It didn't last but I definitely felt it for a couple of months!

                    I think this is a different feeling to being in the zone for one day. We all have days when everything comes off for us but that can happen on your very first day, with a lot of luck. Sometimes it seems like we are in the zone but really, we just had a perfect day. How often does that happen? Probably only a handful of times a year.

                    To be truly in the zone, the way it's described in the Douglas books, is surely more than that. I think it's when you are so confident in what you are doing that everything becomes automatic and flows easily. You don't need to think so hard about making decisions or go through any sort of emotional turmoil - you just get on with the task and accept whatever happens.

                    Trading in the zone isn't about having a day where everything you touch turns to green. It's about having that inner-belief that no matter how much the market goes against you, you know that it will never stop you doing the right things, never affect you mentally and never destroy your bank.

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