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  • Another newbie tale...

    Firstly, buckets of thanks to The Geek and all those associated with bringing this software to the community. Also a round of applause to the contributors to this forum, which is full of helpful advice from experts and novices alike.

    To the nitty-gritty...

    I've spent the last 3-4 weeks trying to absorb as much as I can from the pre-race horse racing markets. Using the Toy of course.

    I've been very careful to monitor all my successes and failures and have tried to analyse the whys and wherefores.

    I've used stakes of between £2 and £25, placing an average of £20-£30 on each race, usually trading on a dozen or more races per day, scalping generally.

    What have I learnt?

    - I usually mess up when there's a race with an odds-on favourite.

    - Mistakes I make are usually made on the first race of the day (when either I'm not adjusted to the flow, or the market is unusual).

    - Big losses I have are now very few and far between, but always follow the same pattern. I lay (or back) a favourite, or occasionally a 2nd fav and the price U-turns on me out of the blue. I then stare at it for too long, and there's my loss.

    - Early on, I was losing regularly by trying to hedge immediately a trade went wrong. I'd read many posts where people suggested this was a way to escape from big losses. Of course they're right, but usually I've placed a bet because I think I've read a situation and 90% of the time it does turn out the way I'd hoped it would, eventually.

    - Take deep breaths, and don't panic.

    - I'm making profit on at least 80% of traded races now and have ironed out many of the foolish ideas that got me into trouble early on, such as sticking on two bets or lays at once, thinking that 'if one's going out, the other must come in'. Having watching the Favourite and 2nd Fav both come steaming in for a minute or more when I want one or both to drift, I realise this is folly.

    - I've done away with the tick-offset, which I loved at first for it's simplicity. I think it's now not necessary unless you are wading into the last 30 secs madness, where a split second is all-important. Without the tick-offset, I can make my own decisions on tick moves and understand more of what's on offer.

    This is unlike anything else I've tried to learn. There are lessons to be learnt and advantages to be taken, but it's such a subjective discipline, there are no fool-proof methods, just agonies and ecstasies. However, I'm on the learning curve.

  • #2
    Just a quick one this mate- odds on look on, just don't trade odds on favs,

    Goodluck

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    • #3
      hi sp, try trading farther out, 3rd 4th 5th fav, it's not as frantic, also something to try?
      start the week with a £20 bank and trade with £2 stakes, your objective is to stop losses, and forget about winning, you will be amazed at the end of the week!!!
      if you can do this for a few weeks your on your way, you can then increase your stake
      to £4, if al 0.k after another 2 weeks, increase again and so on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      it helped me, hope it helps you?

      (just because your not paranoid, doesn't mean there not out to get you)

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      • #4
        Originally posted by thebarron View Post
        hi sp, try trading farther out, 3rd 4th 5th fav, it's not as frantic, also something to try?
        start the week with a £20 bank and trade with £2 stakes, your objective is to stop losses, and forget about winning, you will be amazed at the end of the week!!!
        if you can do this for a few weeks your on your way, you can then increase your stake
        to £4, if al 0.k after another 2 weeks, increase again and so on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        it helped me, hope it helps you?
        Thanks for that, I appreciate your advice.

        I think at present I am more interested in being able to escape green from each trade rather than make money, that's hard enough.

        The reason I don't just stick to minimum stakes on anything shorter than 8.0 is that I want to feel any losses. I think if I was sticking £2 on a 1.76 favourite I might not care one way or the other whether it costs me a few pence. At least I know when I put on £20, that I ought to concentrate because I could be about to lose 60p+ or so if I get it wrong.

        I've only done about 300 races so far and am definitely decreasing the percentage of losses I have. It was roughly 1 in 3 over the first 200, but more like 1 in 8 now.

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        • #5
          Hi S,

          I've struggled with odds on favourites since I started trading due to the volatility which, to be frank, at that level I didn't expect. So much so that I took to looking to lay 9/1+ shots against such animals just to keep out of trouble on these races. The trouble is that because of the price, if you're using a percentage bank staking plan the profits of the odds on shots are very attractive so i determined to develop a strategy to get my hands on some of that juicy cash.

          In the last few weeks, I've tried to get the volatility to work for instead of against me. Rather than trading on the "front edge" of the market, I place speculative trades a few ticks off the current market position, hoping to catch a "flicker" then trade out "instantly". I move the offer up and down with the market waiting for a "big hitter" to hoover up all the cash above/below me, together with my offer. It is a high contentration, tedious technique and sometimes you get nothing, but on the ocassions I get "taken" I generally make a few coppers rather than losing a packet. I only use it when the graphs show that there has been volatility, which is frequently on short priced favourites.

          Cheers, MC

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