Instant Moneybookers Withdraw

[LuckyYou]

A briliant Idea Came in my Mind Today.

I posted it in Betfair forums - hope the officials can make it true!

http://community.betfair.com/site_feedback/go/thread/view/94170/27937517/instant-moneybookers-withdraw?sdb=1

Hello Betfair officials.
Recently I've lost 100 EUR from a game suspension - In one of U17 World Cup games I traded a price. I get caught When my Back bet were not fully matched and the market suddenly suspended without obviuos reason - It didn't unsuspend till the end of the game so my Back bet were actualy made a bet and I lost it.
I am not looking to get my money back - I know this is impossible and you can't give it back - I actually don't want it. I will be able bear this 100 EUR loss, but I didn't feel well after losing it especially when it was a technical issue.
But Today A revolutionally Idea came to my mind. - If I were able to Withdraw Money to Moneybookers and they arrived in my Moneybookers account up to 10 minutes I could back the oposite side in another bookmaker so I would bear a loss of 1-5 EUR and I would be happy.
So my suggestion is:
Pinnaclesports and 12bet.com has and instant withdraw to Moneybookers (Instant mean up to 5 minutes) - It is very comfortable to get your money back just for a seconds. If you can make this too people would be able to fix the technical issues by their own.
Imagine that scenario - Market suspends 15 minutes before the game starts by Betfair techincal issue - but The Player see this and he is caught - he is withdrawing to Moneybookers - he is sure his money will arrive in his moneybookers account just up to 10 minutes and he would be able to close his position without beign exposed with big amount of money!!!!!! You will get your commision - they Player will be happy because despite the technical issue you were able to give him a chance to correct and not beign exposed!!!!!
Another scenario - The Arbers ( This are a players that making money by betting betwen other bookmakers - for Example he is laying at betfair, but backing in another bookmaker with higher price to make so called sure bet and win money no matter of the outcome) Would be very happy too!!!! Most of them using Moneybookers because its the fastest way to move money around the different bookies. If you are able to make the Moneybookers withdraw faster - The arbers will be able to create more bets at a time frame. I will give you an Example:
The actual Moneybookers withdraw is up to 24 hours for now. What would happen If I were arber with 1000 EUR bank and I made arbs between Betfair and other Bookmaker for example 12bet.com.
Today I find an arb - I am backing 500 at 12bet.com a price and Laying for 510 at Betfair to make a sure win of 10 EUR with my 1000 bank. After the game end I win in 12bet - When I win there I am getting 1010 EUR in my account in their website. Because the Moneybookers withdraw is instant I withdraw the money and I have this 1000 EUR again in my Moneybookers account. I make another arb with the same conditions instant!!!!! But this Time I am winning in Betfair. I click to withdraw the money through Moneybookers - But this time I have to wait up to 24 hours for my money to come and I am not able to make a new bet till they come.
Now imagine If I had a Withdraw Money from Betfair trough Moneybookers instant (up to 10 minutes) . The game end - I withdraw and I am able to make the arb again. I AM GENERATING COMMISION WITH EVERY POSSIBLE BET OF MINE. AS FAST AS I MAKE BETS MORE COMMISION I GENERATE. This is the best part of Betfair and the Users If they are able make more bets - they are able to generate more commisions and they are making more money for them and for the BETFAIR - Simbiotic relationship! - The users are happy - generating more commision - you are happy too!!!!. Now the best thing with arbers is that they are making very big bets - wich mean they are generating a lot of commision.
Now imagine if you invest of increasing the moneybookers withdraw time - Y[b]OU WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE MILLIONS MORE MONEY!!!!!! You will create more revenue. Even the share price will jump!!! [/b]
And All this just by decreasing the Moneybookers withdraw time.
I have one more final suggestion that is little bit more complicate but not impossible. You are not only decrease the moneybookers withdraw time but Also create the moneybookers withdraw in another back-up server. When Betfair main site crash - the users will be able to withdraw to moneybookers to punt their exposed bets in Betfair and not lose houndreds, sometimes thousands of EUR/GBP.
This is revolutionally IDEA and I am sure that if you are able to do even the 1st thing - just faster Moneybookers withdraw you will bring back the people smiles - they will be happier because they will reduce to minimum to lose their funds from a technical issues. And I am absolutely sure the cost of this will be minimal in front of the Money you can make just with that simple method!!!!

Betfair Community Manager 2. Please Read this carefully and forward it to the main Betfair Managers.
I want this to be read by the Betfair main Managers - I am absolutely sure they will be able to come this true.
Happy user - Happy Betfair - Big Shareprice - Happy Shareholders. SIMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP

Regards,
Johnnyquid

:Brilliant

[custard]

I can't see any reason why people who use Moneybookers should be placed in a preferential position to anybody else. It would appear that all you need to do is to keep your money in more than one place and you'll have no difficulties. I have never had more than £ 1400 in my Betfair account. These days if my balance exceeds £ 500 I withdraw £ 200. More than enough for me to use in trading with the money I have left in my Betfair account - £300 ( my maximum stake on a football match is £ 200 and usually less than this.)

If I win more money, I take it out. It might take me three/four days to get it but that's not important. If I lose, and I need to put more money into my Betfair account, I can do it easily in under five minutes. So, I am in control of my own money.

If the API fails I just put up with it. Nobody should ever get into a mess by having a losing bet. API failures give as many winners as they do losers so it's no big deal if you manage money properly.

[LuckyYou]

The biggest names on the web have Instant Moneybookers. I am not using Moneybookers as a payment method but I am saying that Moneybookers are the way to get trough all this dificulties. I don't like gambling. I want my bet to be closed I don't need to be exposed. This is not prefering anything - I am giving an elegant solution wich can attract more arbers to Betfair and they can get more money out of commisions. If you like gamble - Ok go do it. But this is a real solution. I am absolutely sure that the people who has been exposed in any way may confirm that...
And what mean Preferential position? MONEYBOOKERS IS THE ONLY PAYMENT METHOD THAT CAN ACHIEVE THAT? MY QUESTION IS - WHY NOT. Pinnaclesports and 12bet.com has it - they are leaders! If Betfair want to be more flexible and be more of service of their clients they should do it too!
:Brilliant

[LuckyYou]

Betfair are making new criteria for Premium Charge too. So arbing to avoid the premium charge may a be very proper solution. And Yes Instant Moneybookers can help a lot with that !

[Cran]

what the fcuk has withdrawing to moneybookers got to do with anything?

You can arb your bet anyway...

if you can't do that because all your money is in your BF account you should give up now before it's all gone.

[LuckyYou]

what the fcuk has withdrawing to moneybookers got to do with anything?

You can arb your bet anyway...

if you can't do that because all your money is in your BF account you should give up now before it's all gone.

Exactly. If I had Instant Moneybookers I would arb that...
All gone - hard to say. A lot of money managment involved just because I have all my money in BF

[Shaun]

i have to agree you need your money in different places, i have 5 separate accounts for different types of bets that i make and would have no more than 20% of my bankroll in these 5 accounts.

[custard]

Pinnaclesports and 12bet.com has it - they are leaders! If Betfair want to be more flexible and be more of service of their clients they should do it too!
:Brilliant

The two bookmakers you name are very unimportant in the UK, I'm afraid. I considered opening a Pinnacle account once but decided against it because they were no better, probably marginally worse, than the bookmakers I already used.

Befair want to make money and they seem to do it very well. There would appear to be no reason why they should change their present procedures as there would be no advantages for them.

It would be very pleasant if all our money could find its way back to us in five minutes. In order for this to be achieved it would be necessary to restructure the whole of the European banking system. Banks want to keep our money for as long as they can, overnight deposits, etc.

[johnsmith]

custard

can you clarify which Uk bookies you consider better in any way shape or form than pinnacle ??

higher limits ? , better prices that dont cause you to be kicked ?

i arb a significant amount of money and turnover more at pinnie than any other book , in fact betfair are about 5th or 6th on my turnover list and thats only when i have to use them to fix or cover exposed bets quickly

none of the UK books are on it cause my accounts dont last long enough

cheers

[custard]

There was no advantage to me by dealing with Pinnacle. At the time I looked at them there was little difference between their prices and the leading High Street bookmakers in the UK. I have to be honest and admit that I was not prepared to deal with an overseas company when I could deal with a British one. They may be suitable for you. I can't be bothered to look for arbitrages and I have no problem with getting stakes matched. They are probably a very good firm but I do not envisage using them at any time in the future.

[LuckyYou]

There was no advantage to me by dealing with Pinnacle. At the time I looked at them there was little difference between their prices and the leading High Street bookmakers in the UK. I have to be honest and admit that I was not prepared to deal with an overseas company when I could deal with a British one. They may be suitable for you. I can't be bothered to look for arbitrages and I have no problem with getting stakes matched. They are probably a very good firm but I do not envisage using them at any time in the future.

Pinnacle is a MUST USE bookmaker for any arber/serious punter/bettor because they are simply the best Bookmaker on the market EVER. You probably doesn't have a clue of arbitrages but my suggestion is exactly for that players. They are highrollers and they easily can bring Betfair a lot mineralas in green equivalent.
You obviosly doesn't have enough expirience with cutting-edge prices at your favorite UK books - they are quite poor indeed - I can tell you my experience - Stan James - I had limit after 5-6 bets of 200 EUR each. Bet365 - as known as Bet 3,65 just because they limit you before even you make a bet . Paddy Power - Limited after the second Tennis Bet. Never played on the others just because I've seen what YOUR BIG DICK BOOKIES ARE CAPABLE OF.
UK books are the past - they are losing clients, losing money - Pinnaclesports is the favorite bookmaker of all Punters all over the World - just because they give the best odds - their bet Limits are among the highest and they NEVER LIMIT YOU. You funds are save in there in the real meaning of the world. This same apply for 188bet, 12bet, sbobet. American Books are average on that scale but they are still much better than any UK/Euro book.
You may ask how instant Moneybookers would help Johnsmith and any other arber... Including a lot of clients who are looking to move their funds faster and faster.

[custard]

I know quite a lot about arbitrages and cannot understand how you should feel otherwise. I'm quite happy with Paddy Power.

You seem to have a lot of problems . I don't have any, fortunately. I prefer British and Irish bookmakers because I am British and Welsh.

[LuckyYou]

I know quite a lot about arbitrages and cannot understand how you should feel otherwise. I'm quite happy with Paddy Power.

You seem to have a lot of problems . I don't have any, fortunately. I prefer British and Irish bookmakers because I am British and Welsh.

No I don't have a problems. I just don't use books in which I have limits. If you doesn't have limits at Paddy Power - this mean you just doesn't hit them in their bad prices, but in prices that are included in their big 85-90% margin . If you did - yes you would have limits as anyone who did. The same applies with any other UK book you use.