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  • Royal Ascot - Saturday

    Rain, rain and more rain. Expect Saturday's fields to cut up drastically. Quality all the way throughout Saturday afternoon's card;

    2.30 Chesham Stakes (Listed Race) 7f

    Maybe is a shorty for the Ballydoyle team. She led from start to finish in a 6f Naas Maiden last month on Good to Firm ground. The second from that race finished second next time in the Listed race won by Teolane (Beaten in the Albany, Friday). Maybe is a filly by Galileo - she takes on the colts here and is put in the 6/4 favourite. The chief danger according to the market is another filly, Godolphin's Falls Of Lora. She has raced twice - first time up she was green and headed in the final furlong of a 6f Goodwood maiden, next time she was the clear-cut winner of a 7f maiden at Doncaster. By Street Cry out of a Danehill mare, soft ground is possibly not going to suit her ideally. Richard Hannon runs a son of Lawman, Fort Bastian. He showed signs of greenness in his only start to date at Haydock, where he finished runner-up to Mezmaar. That experience should stand him in good stead for this but he is another who looks to have major ground doubts. At 9/1 is Peter Chapple-Hyam's Telwaar - he has the two runs behind him, 5th first time out at Leicester over 6f and then victory over the same distance in a Doncaster maiden just a fortnight ago. By Haafhd, a son of Alhaarth, he probably wants better ground to be seen at his best. Polydamus has every chance of getting into the money if he can step up again on his debut run when third in a 7f race at Sandown. This son of Nayef is by a Dr Fong mare so both sides of his pedigree tick the ground boxes. They bet 28/1 bar these five.

    Recommendation: The fillies at the head of the market do bring the best form to the table, but from a value angle I would side with the 20/1 shot Polydamus each-way for small stakes. A back to lay is a possibility but it might be safer to place the bet on the book as I can see him getting into the race late and grabbing a place as others tire on the ground.


    3.05 Hardwicke Stakes (Group 2) 1m4f

    A field of 9 will go to post for this, as Afsare was declared a non-runner earlier today. The race looks to be another penalty kick for the Ballydoyle boys, as Await The Dawn has been put in at 4/5 and he is solid even at those odds. He won a soft ground maiden on his 2yo debut back in July 2009 and went on to have a crack at the Champagne Stakes (Group 2) at Doncaster, where he trailed in last of the seven runners. He was not seen on the track again until the following August, when he won a 3 runner Cork event. It was back to Group company next time, he won the Group 3 Kilternan Stakes at Leopardstown over 1m2f. Await The Dawn won the Huxley Stakes at Chester in May over 10 furlongs - showing an end of race spurt that has convinced everyone that the 12 furlong trip in the Hardwicke will not prove to be problematic for him. You can get 12/1 bar one in this and that price covers the trio of Passion For Gold, Calvados Blues & Campanologist who all represent Godolphin. They are hard to split but Passion For Gold's defeat of Mikhail Glinka on heavy going in November 2009 is probably the most worthwhile peace of form from the three. Drunken Sailor has bits & pieces of soft ground form and all he does is stay. Poet was probably flattered by his close second to Workforce at Sandown recently where he dictated the pace. The same tactics failed on soft ground in France last time and so he has points to prove now. Laaheb could prove to be the main danger, judged on his Meydan run behind Rewilding in March. This son of Cape Cross won't mind the ground, the same comment applies to Harris Tweed who made great strides in Handicaps as a 3yo last year. Kings Gambit cannot be totally discounted in a race where staying will prove to be the key.

    Recommendation: Tactics, tactics, tactics. Godolphin run three, Ballydoyle one. I would happily lay Await The Dawn at Evs, so at 4/5 it has to be done. Wait to see how Maybe does in the first as the price could shorten yet further!


    3.45 Golden Jubilee (Group 1) 6f

    Expect Delegator to come out, as the boys in blue were making noises about the ground on Friday. Bewitched would become favourite is Delegator does defect, the daughter of Dansili posted a career best last time when beating the eventual St James' Palace second Zoffany in a Group 3 over 7f at Leopardstown last time. This is a significant rise in class for her - so although she can offer some soft ground form she would probably prefer it to be a bit quicker under foot. Connections of Star Witness always had this race as their charge's main target, he was looked after when second earlier in the week but his ability to act on this rain softened surface must now be taken on trust. Bated Breath and Dalghar feature next in the betting but both have ground question marks. The 3yo Hooray carries Cheveley Park's main hopes for this and she is improving with every run. At the prices she appeals more than Kingsgate Native who runs for the same owners. If he runs it will be his first experience of such a soft surface, although being out of an Indian Ridge mare he has a chance of acting on the soft. Genki was beaten by Bewitched off levels in October and he must now give that rival 3 pounds. Elzaam (Redoute's Choice) probably wants better ground, whereas Definightly (Diktat) will be OK, but stable jockey Steve Drowne has opted to ride Genki.

    Recommendation: Obviously it will depend on who goes to post and who does not, however at this stage I would be looking to split stakes between Hooray (12.0) on one side of the draw and Definightly (15.5) on the other.



    4.25 Wokingham Stakes (Handicap) 6f

    As with the last on Friday, the focus point is soft ground horses with a mid-high draw. Of the older generation Prime Defender makes some appeal at massive odds. His mark has slipped to 102 now (Has won off 109, peaked at 113) and although he doesn't win very often (7/51), he'll be fine on the surface and charges out of box 17. Of the young'uns, Victoire De Lyphar has to be of some interest as he is clearly on the upgrade. He ran well under the race conditions last time at Haydock (May, 6f, Good to Firm) and that would have put him spot on for this contest.

    Recommendation: If you can get 50/1 e/w 1-2-3-4-5 Prime Defender, take it. Victoire De Lyphar is a fraction of the price at 12 but he should also be backed each way.



    5.00 Duke Of Edinburgh Stakes (Handicap) 1m4f

    19 go to post and their official ratings vary from 91 (Coin Of The Realm) to 101 (Prompter) after Salute Him's defection. Modun probably justifies his position at the head of the betting (7/2f), following an un-extended victory at Newbury first time up in a 0-85. The second horse that day was a cosy winner two starts later. This son of Kings Best is untried on soft but both his father and dam-sire produce soft ground progeny so it should not be a problem for him. Sharaayeen has proven himself on this type of going whereas Rock A Doodle Doo has not. Taqleed beat Sharaayeen in a handicap last season (Giving away 9lbs) and now gets four pounds - so he must feature high on the list of possibles. Blissful Moment, like Modun, hails from Sir Michael Stoute's stable. He is by Dynaformer out of Desert Prince mare - this surface is a big unknown and my head says that he won't act on it. They bet 12/1 bar five and the pick of the remainder for me would be the Johnston pair Fox Hunt and Jutland - probably in that order. A wide, wide open affair.

    Recommendation: Modun should prove popular but the percentage call is to side with Taqleed (8.8) and Fox Hunt (24.0) for me. Each way or back to lay.



    5.35 Queen Alexandra Stakes (Conditions Race) 2m5f

    20 runners over 2m5f and it will have been raining all day on already soft ground by the time the starter lets them go! Easy! The top one Ajaan is undoubtedly class on his day, although they are now few and far between. Overturn has proven himself as a useful stayer on the flat as well as mixing it in the hurdling ranks, but 4/1 looks to be short all things considered. The sensible call here is to sit it out, for an interest I would chance runners 13, 14 & 15 as their respective pedigrees suggest that a marathon trip on soft would be within their capabilities.

    Recommendation: Crack a beer, toast the Queen (And English racing ) and place absolute minimum win bets on Kayef (0.34 pts @ 28), Herostatus (0.33 pts @ 65) and Chink Of Light (0.33 pts @ 50). Either that or just crack a beer and watch the slowest runners of the whole week slug it out for 5 mins, whilst counting the profits from what has gone before.


    Have a great weekend people

  • #2
    i have had a terrible june so far so i will keep stakes to a minimum

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    • #3
      Should have been with us from the start, i have to say am impressed with the outcome so far.

      Question about this bet, i understand E/W don't understand the numbers.
      Recommendation: If you can get 50/1 e/w 1-2-3-4-5 Prime Defender, take it. Victoire De Lyphar is a fraction of the price at 12 but he should also be backed each way.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Shaun View Post

        Question about this bet, i understand E/W don't understand the numbers.
        Recommendation: If you can get 50/1 e/w 1-2-3-4-5 Prime Defender, take it.
        Betfair have a 5 to be placed market but it would probably pay to bet the horses with a bookie paying 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th.

        Prime Defender is 50s with Stan James over here - they pay first 5.

        11/1 Lyphar with them too.

        It's that, or just see how the BF place market develops.

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        • #5
          I see, ok they don't have those here, i used to have a Ladbrokes account but they closed it no more betting from Aus, i think William Hill still does but will check out the betfair market.

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          • #6
            They must have reduced place odds for first 5 do you know what they pay for first 5 so i can judge how the betfair market is?

            Right now on betfair that 50/1 shot is 11.5 and 6.4 first 5

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            • #7
              1/4 odds 1-5, so you'd be after around double the current offer.

              Still, it is 2am over here - so things should pick up in a few hours


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              • #8
                The rain will make this a difficult afternoon. Information in the Racing Post suggests that there hasn't been soft going at Ascot since 2008, at least, none of the horses racing in the last five races have ever competed in soft going at Ascot although between them they have raced many times there. I've had a quick look at the first race and it seems that none of the runners have ever raced at this course before. So, in short, if we are looking for horses who have proven form in soft going at Ascot, we are not going to find any. We will have to look at form on other courses and consider horses who may be running over shorter distances than usual in the hope that they will get the trip today. Another important point is that we have had a very dry start to the flat season and there have been very few races run in soft conditions to enable us to pick those horses who like soft going. A horse may have run like a crab earlier this year only for him to relish today's conditions and "fly home".

                I've done a lot of thinking and have selected two horses per race. The first according to my brain, the second according to my heart and gut feeling :

                2.30 Maybe , Goldoni

                3.05 Harris Tweed, Campanologist

                3.45 Bewitched , Dalghar

                4.25 Victoire de Lyphar , Imperial Guest

                5.00 Awsal, Life And Soul

                5.35 Ajaan

                Ajaan is my only selection in the last race. It is Thai for teacher and was the name is was called by the Thai teachers I worked with. The kids called me Khun Kroo which is the more common word for teacher. As a result, I have backed him so much that I feel that the owners should give me a part share in him.

                I have only backed Chachamaidee when he has lost ( Thai for slow is not good ). No brain used for the last race. He is my getting-out stakes horse and cannot back anything else.

                Pricewise in the Racing Post tips as follows :

                3.05 Poet

                3.45 Amico Fritz and Definightly

                All big prices which may drop before race time.

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                • #9
                  Hi C,

                  here are my "top rateds" for Ascot

                  1505 Calvados Blues

                  1545 Star Witness

                  1625 Nasri *

                  1700 Averroes *

                  1735 Overturn

                  The two asterisked are ones I'll be watching closely, Nasri and Averroes are both overlayed at 16.5 (15 is the value point for my ratings in handicaps) and there is often shortening of these,

                  cheers, MC

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                  • #10
                    Bling king for me in the 2.30

                    Inrunning back to lay got on at 30.0 for £10 will happily lay at 18.0 currently 25.0

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ron View Post
                      Bling king for me in the 2.30

                      Inrunning back to lay got on at 30.0 for £10 will happily lay at 18.0 currently 25.0
                      poo bailed out at 32.0 for a small loss

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                      • #12
                        The principals had it although the market spoke in Polydamus' favour, 20s was 12s at the off.

                        It looks soft out there - will keep an eye on the times.

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                        • #13
                          Race 1

                          Backed @23 had the option to trade out @ 9

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                          • #14
                            Maybe money

                            Watch Await The Dawn shorten now.

                            1.63 to back currently, expect 1.51 or thereabouts at the off!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Emkayracing View Post
                              Watch Await The Dawn shorten now.

                              1.63 to back currently, expect 1.51 or thereabouts at the off!
                              I agree but don't think he's going to win. So I think back pre-race, jump out and lay him at , hopefully, the lowest price.

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