Trading courses BEWARE !

[Sports Punter]

Send me £100 and I'll tell you how to make £1000

offer limited to 10 people...

Where do I send the cheque?

[jimrobo]

Custard show me one course , that people have benefited from attending .

The reason i posted this thread is because these people are charging a fee for false promises .

i can see these people each day in the markets , i know how they trade , but what they show you is not how its done , so really these people are cockroaches are they not ?

ok I'll quickly reply! I did one of the courses a number of years ago when I was starting out and I benefitted from it. Did it turn me into some super trader.......no but i was already profitable before I took the course. It just gave me a better understanding of the market. Was it worth it.....yes for me it was. For others thinking it is money printing press then its likely to not be of any value to them.

[LuckyYou]

The real problem is that a guy who is a net winner and a long term winner from Betfair will never expose himself to show how exsactly he is doing his edges. Everyone who is saying that will teach you are dishonest IMO. If you win - you win for yourself - I said this tousands of times. I am a net winner from betfair so far. I have an edge and I am exploring it. I am saying it from my own experience. I will do it till it dissapear. I am afraid it will dissapear thats why I want tell anyone what I am doing. Most of the sane men would do the same.
I can prove it by showing screens or video of my P&L + screen of PC, but no I wont make a video that can expose me...
P.S. Lets not forget that I am a newbie - I am trading actively from february this year. THe 1st time I've found of the software - I started to win asap. But this was because I'm studing finance and I did trades on betfair before but just with simple trading calc. BUT making a few tousands EUR doesn't make me succesfull. I can lose it. That why I am thinking dinamicly - I am developing new betting systems to try to get a new edges/avoiding PCs all the time...

[shadowninja]

The real problem is that a guy who is a net winner and a long term winner from Betfair will never expose himself to show how exsactly he is doing his edges. Everyone who is saying that will teach you are dishonest IMO. If you win - you win for yourself - I said this tousands of times. I am a net winner from betfair so far. I have an edge and I am exploring it. I am saying it from my own experience. I will do it till it dissapear. I am afraid it will dissapear thats why I want tell anyone what I am doing. Most of the sane men would do the same.
I can prove it by showing screens or video of my P&L + screen of PC, but no I wont make a video that can expose me...
P.S. Lets not forget that I am a newbie - I am trading actively from february this year. THe 1st time I've found of the software - I started to win asap. But this was because I'm studing finance and I did trades on betfair before but just with simple trading calc. BUT making a few tousands EUR doesn't make me succesfull. I can lose it. That why I am thinking dinamicly - I am developing new betting systems to try to get a new edges/avoiding PCs all the time...

Nice going. I'm in a similar situation, started getting profitable about the same time as you, by the sound of it. Not a Big Swinging Dick (BSD) trader yet but hopefully will get there. And similarly, I am nervous of telling people exactly what I do because then others will start to take away some of my money. And then there's PC to consider!

[NeroXX]

The real problem is that a guy who is a net winner and a long term winner from Betfair will never expose himself to show how exsactly he is doing his edges. Everyone who is saying that will teach you are dishonest IMO.

Not true. I have sat and watched Jack Birkhead trade live, make money, pause - rewind - explain.

I used to be in IT sales. Imagine if the company I went to work for just said, 'get on with it, learn to sell yourself.'. Madness. They were constantly educating and training me to enable me to excel. Not sure why there is so much negativity with regards to training courses - this is absolutely standard in business! Training and education is a huge business outside this little 'trading bubble' and for good reason!

[Caan Berry]

Having seen jacks course it has helped me, i was already profitable but it helped me make a bit more... id say hes genuine. I think some become confused though, having taken part in a course from someone who has the ability to make a days wage to some in a race (obviously not all the time) does not mean by any stretch of the imagination mean the viewer will then be banging out profits alike... and didnt the £1000 package you talk of show the man in question trading every day all day for a couple of months? surely thats pretty much evidence although i have not seen it myself maybe someone who has could comment?

Their is a point here though, their are definately bullshit courses out their, no names or furry creatures mentioned.

[The Thinker]

Not true. I have sat and watched Jack Birkhead trade live, make money, pause - rewind - explain.

He might show you how to scalp , but what he wont show you is his edge ,this is what seperates him from people like you . I bet you he only traded one race infront of you , why didnt he trade for the full afternoon ?

[1/4 of a millionaire fund]

surely thats pretty much evidence although i have not seen it myself maybe someone who has could comment?

Their is a point here though, their are definately bullshit courses out their, no names or furry creatures mentioned.

Surely that's one of the points the OP's trying to get across though chuck? You haven't seen the proof of either but saying one's bullshit and the others OK. Neither are happy to show any sort of proof til you've stumped up your wonga and even then it's easy enough to cherry pick what you show.

My view on training is pretty much similar to Neroxx's that every real job I've ever done has given me some training to do the job properly but even then plenty of times I've been more clued up than the trainer.

These days all the basics you need to know, or are likely to be trained, are freely available on the net or forums, I doubt any trainer will give you anything close to their edge just basic "red up","don't go inplay" etc sort of advice. But for anyone too lazy to look, or preferring to to be told one to one, maybe that fast tracking to basic trading is worth the price they'll pay.

[Caan Berry]

Surely that's one of the points the OP's trying to get across though chuck? You haven't seen the proof of either but saying one's bullshit and the others OK. Neither are happy to show any sort of proof til you've stumped up your wonga and even then it's easy enough to cherry pick what you show.

My view on training is pretty much similar to Neroxx's that every real job I've ever done has given me some training to do the job properly but even then plenty of times I've been more clued up than the trainer.

These days all the basics you need to know, or are likely to be trained, are freely available on the net or forums, I doubt any trainer will give you anything close to their edge just basic "red up","don't go inplay" etc sort of advice. But for anyone too lazy to look, or preferring to to be told one to one, maybe that fast tracking to basic trading is worth the price they'll pay.

Point taken, i havent seen the live chunk but the basic stuff helped me excel at points agree with you about training and jobs etc.

[SamWilson82]

1) None of these people have any qualifications in teaching

Could you please point me in the direction where I can receive these qualifications for teaching BF trading?

2) All you will get for your money is a few videos on scalping /swing trade , that you can get free online , NONE of these people will spend a full afternoon demonstrating how they trade , whilst you are present , because what you see in the videos is not how they trade.

Details of what I personally offer are on my website and yes you are right I will not spend a full afternoon demonstrating exactly how I trade. For this I would want 5 grand an hour. People here should know that if you gave your exact edge away to say 25 other people it would probably have an effect on your own profits. My one to one courses are aimed at getting new traders to understand how and why markets move and how to take advantage of price movements using techniques designed to suit their personality and skill set. Yes I do have training videos of me trading and with examples of how to read manipulation, how to manage swing trades, how to identify scalping conditions but to show exactly how I trade would be a bollock drop.

3) None of these people are regulated .
Warren G ?

4) All of the people who defend these people , generally have direct affiliate links from their blogs to these peoples websites ? .

I have never received a penny from an affiliate I am not into that kind of internet marketing, I only advertise from my blog and youtube.

8) if you contact these people and ask them for details of people who attended their course and are now trading for a living , why wont they give you contact details ? cause nobody who has paid for their training has gone on to trade for a living.

Since I started teaching around 20% of the traders I have worked with are either trading full-time or earning a very good extra income from trading. I think that’s a decent number considering how hard trading actually is.

Here is a P&L Vid of my pre-race 3k trading bank from today, yesterday and last 7 days.
password = ithinknot

http://www.screencast.com/t/0007IeJ2

There is also another video on there that I was going to stick on youtube soon that you can “think” about for now.

Showing you a 3 month p&l is pretty much showing you my salary which I am not prepared to do as I am so caked right now…. click here to buy :Boom

All I can say is that I am still a fulltime trader and I enjoy teaching others about sports trading in my spare time. Those who have contacted me will know that I haven’t taken any bookings before official evening racing had finished as trading is my priority.

[custard]

The world of trading sometimes attracts unsavoury creatures who try to cheat others out of their money. I know this to be true and have made myself unpopular by saying this. I am not the least bit worried about it.

I am sorry that you have felt the need to produce personal/private information so as to make it clear that you are not one of the "cockroaches". You deserve to have your privacy respected. That said, you have now set a standard which others may not be able to meet.

I think this thread originated as a sort of extension to one that I had opened which related to dishonest tipping services. "Trading" needs to clean up its act. Your post goes a long way to achieving this and I thank you for it.

[Knight Rider]

Sam Wilson:The Verdict

[I]1)

Details of what I personally offer are on my website and yes you are right I will not spend a full afternoon demonstrating exactly how I trade. My one to one courses are aimed at getting new traders to understand how and why markets move and how to take advantage of price movements using techniques designed to suit their personality and skill set.

I have never received a penny from an affiliate I am not into that kind of internet marketing, I only advertise from my blog and youtube.


Since I started teaching around 20% of the traders I have worked with are either trading full-time or earning a very good extra income from trading. I think that’s a decent number considering how hard trading actually is.

Here is a P&L Vid of my pre-race 3k trading bank from today, yesterday and last 7 days.
password = ithinknot

http://www.screencast.com/t/0007IeJ2

Showing you a 3 month p&l is pretty much showing you my salary which I am not prepared to do as I am so caked right now…. click here to buy :Boom

All I can say is that I am still a fulltime trader and I enjoy teaching others about sports trading in my spare time. Those who have contacted me will know that I haven’t taken any bookings before official evening racing had finished as trading is my priority.

Location: The Geeks Kangaroo Court
Date: 16th September 2011
Time :18.59


Case number 2009444: The credibility of Mr Sam Wilsons Betfair courses

Verdict
Having examined the evidence before the court we find Mr Wilson to be a credible and trustworthy teacher for aspiring betfair traders. He has provided a thorough explanation of what he does and shown sufficient evidence to prove he can walk the talk.

He is free to leave the dock and resume his trading and teaching in peace. We would like to thank him for his time in these delicate matters. Should his character come under scrutiny again he is free to use this judgement in any slander proceedings he may wish to seek compensation for

Case dismissed






















......right who's next?

[Lewy]

There ain't no substitute for bums in seats and 100's/1000's hours of practical experience. If you're not prepared to put the work in then there is no amount of courses that'll make you profitable. Simple as that.

Just my opinion of course.

[everyidhasgone]

horses for courses

I generally agree with there being many sharks out there on the internet, and it is a harsh reality that often people get burnt.
However I think it is a shame to tarnish everyone with the same brush.

Personally I'm an advocate for courses, and education. Strange as I wasnt like this at school!
Its true there is free information out there, and many will benefit from it, which is great.

I for one joined Jack Birkheads training course some five months back. I was skeptical at first so just paid for monthly subscription, thinking if it was shite I would simple cancel it. However once subscribed I actually emailed Jack asking to pay for the full course as I knew it was what I was looking for.

Ive been trading succesfully for about just over 2 years mainly football, but due to the other half giving me serious earache over not being around at evenings and weekends (when trading) I was looking for another avenue so wanted to get into the pre-horses as its in 'working hours'.

For me the course videos have been extremely useful info, and despite me only doing this for about 5 months am happy with the results.Whilst I havent replaced my existing trading profits with the horses only yet, I would like to think that by Xmas I will be able to stop trading the footie
I guess it helped with me previously trading, i.e. getting the right mindset.

So for me its been a great tool. Could I get the same results searching for the free stuff online? I have no idea.
For me though its been value for money. Ive recouped the cost of the course from me trading the horses.

Having said all this, a course does not guarantee success. It clearly takes hard serious screen time. I also suspect that not everyone will be able to become a fulltime trader just alone doing a course due to people expecting instant success. With anything in life, what you put in = what you get out.

I also trade stocks (spread bet, though not day trade) for which I paid over £1k for a course. Was this successful - yes, i make 10 - 15% per month.

I also paid £300 for a course about six years ago about trading property. Was this successfull - yes ive made £000'000s of equity in my portfolio buying discount property direct from motivated sellers. Since the credit crunch though no mortgage lender will lend me, so had to find other avenues.

So my answer is this - please dont just think all courses are useless, and trainers are sharks.
If you want instant riches without the effort, stick with buying your lottery ticket

[loktari]

Good to hear feedback about Jack's course . I'm one of those who learn everything on their own. I feel that I don't really need any course or help from anyone, but it would certainly help polish some ideas/things that are not yet completed or fully understood.

I think Jack is a honest guy, I have a good opinion about him and I think that his course is probably the best course you can get at the moment.